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إضافة رد
أدوات الموضوع انواع عرض الموضوع
غير مقروء 25-Jun-2009, 11:12 AM رقم المشاركة : 1
معلومات العضو
خلف القثامي
عضو مميــز
عضو مميز 
إحصائية العضو







خلف القثامي غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي نسب عنزه الوائليه وال سعود

هذا القول هو الذي ذهب إليـه الأمير/ عبدالله بن عبدالرحمن أحـد أعمدة آل سعود ومؤرخها – رحمه الله – كما حدث بذلك سمو الأمير عبدالله بن فيصل بن فرحان ال سعود –رحمة الله عليه – وهو المعتمد لدى دارة الملك العزيز وقد اطلعت على " تاريخ البلاد العربية السعودية " للدكتور منير العجلاني الجزء الخامس ص 57-59 عند كلامه عن نسب الإمام تركي (مؤسس الدولة السعودية الثانية) فذكر النسبة الذهلة الشيبانية ، النسبة الحنفية، النسبة العنزية ثم قال تحت عنوان " رفع التباس" كنا سألنا الأمير عبدالله بن عبدالرحمن، عميد آل سعود ، بعد وفاة الملك عبدالعزيز ، رحمهما الله، عن النسبة الحنفية ، فلم ينكرها ولا ستهجنها ، وإن كانت النسبة القبلية لا يعني دائماً نسبة البنوة والدم ، فقد تكون نسبة التحالف أو النسبة إلى الأرض أو الوادي الذي سيطرت عليه حنيفة وعرف باسمها، ولذلك قال هذا الأمير العالم إن آل سعود حنفيون ربيعيون عدنانيون .. وإذا قيل أننا عنزيون فمعنى ذلك أننا وائليون . انتهى كلامه .

كما قال لمجلة الأبل الأمير فواز بن ناصر بن فهد ال سعود "عرف أن القبائل تنتسب ببعضها إذا تحالفت فكان هناك حلف جاهلي بين عنزة وأبناء عمومتهم بنو حنيفة يدعى حلف (اللهازم) وكان غرض هذا الحلف حربي وعرف هذا الحلف بالقوة والمنعة وتغنى الشعراء به كثيراً وعرفاً إذا تحالفت القبائل وأصبحت مغارمهم ومغانمهم واحدة جاز لهم أن يتسموا ببعض وحميتهم واحدة وخصوصاً إن كانوا أبناء عمومة مثل بنو حنيفة وعنزة حيث يعود كلاهما إلى نسب وائل وهذه التحالفات حصلت في كل قبائل الجزيرة العربية المعروفة اليوم تحت تسمية (ذبح شاة الغرم) ولذلك يجوز لبني حنيفة التسمي بعنزه رغم ان هذا الحلف بين بني حنيفة وعنزه سببه كان حربياً أثناء حرب البسوس.والامثله كثيره فمثلاً قبيلة الدواسر المعروفة اليوم هي تحالف بين بعض من قبائل تغلب العدنانية وقبائل آخرى من قحطان وكلاهما يتسمون بأسم الدواسر وهذا المثل ينطبق على كثير

من القبائل في الجزيرة العربية " بل ينطبق على 99 % من القبائل" . انتهى كلام الأمير فواز بن ناصر















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 25-Jun-2009, 03:00 PM رقم المشاركة : 2
معلومات العضو
أكرم الوذيناني
عضو نشيط
إحصائية العضو







أكرم الوذيناني غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

أهلا أخي خلف ..



شكراً على النقل الرائع ..


لكن آل سعود يلتقون مع قبيله العنزه في وائل ..


إذاً آل سعود الكرام من حنيفه من وائل ..


وهناك من يقول خلاف ذلك ..


ولكن الخوض في مثل هذه الانساب مشكله ، لان اقوال المؤرخين نادراً ما تتوافق ..!!



وتجنب الخوض في مثل متاهات هذه الانساب ..أفضل ..


شكراً..















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 25-Jun-2009, 04:11 PM رقم المشاركة : 3
معلومات العضو
فواز الدهاس
عضو ماسي

الصورة الرمزية فواز الدهاس

إحصائية العضو







فواز الدهاس غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

- أخي العزيز :- خلف القثامي حفظه الله ، موضوع من أروع ما وجدت و قواك الله ،

و أحببت أن أدلو بدلوي في هذا الموضوع الحيوي ، حيث أنني شاهدت قناة المستقلة و برنامج

عن نسب آل سعود وفقهم الله لكل خير ، و قد أرسل لهم الأمير سلمان بن عبدالعزيز و هو المسئول

عن الأسرة ، خطاب و قال :- بأنهم لا ينتسبون إلى عنزة و أنهم أبناء عمومة فقط .

فآل سعود من بنو حنيفة بن وائل ، و عنزة بن وائل ، فالنسب السعودي حنفي وائلي ،

هذا ما لدي و عذراً ثم شكرا .















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 25-Jun-2009, 09:44 PM رقم المشاركة : 4
معلومات العضو
سرحان الشيباني
عضو ماسي

الصورة الرمزية سرحان الشيباني

إحصائية العضو







سرحان الشيباني غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

مافيه شك اقرب القبائل لأل سعود هم عنزه سواء كانو من عنزه او متحالفين معها تبقى اقرب قبيله للاسره المالكه هي قبيلة عنزة ومشكور ياخلف















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 26-Jun-2009, 05:40 AM رقم المشاركة : 5
معلومات العضو
عقاب العنزي
شـــاعــر
إحصائية العضو






عقاب العنزي غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

لاهنت ياخلف القثامي على الطرح

حقيقه لفت انتباهي الموضوع والذي لفت انتباهي اكثر هو رقي الحوار الذي يدل على اخلاقكم الفاظله


في واقع الامر ان آل سعود لسنا نحن من يقول انهم عنزه بل هم انفسهم ولكن قد تكون هناك سياسه

لدى البعض منهم لكي لاتثور الفتن وماشابه ذلك فقبيلة عنزه ليست بحاجه الى اسره لكي يرتفع مجدها

فهم عرفوا باأنهم اهل حكم من ماضي الزمان الى يومنا هذا والامثله موجوده على ارض الواقع في

بعض دول الخليج كالبحرين والكويت

ولكن ارجع الى النقطه الاهم وهي ان شعراء آل سعود وابنائهم هم من اثبتوا انهم عنزه سواء

باابيات شعريه ام بتصاريح اعلاميه واذكر البعض منها


بيت للامير الشاعر خالد الفيصل بعد تحرير الكويت

يالصباح ويالسعودي لاانتخيت 00 عزوتك عناز راع الطايلات 0 على ماعتقد البيت لايحتاج الى تفسير

فااذا البعض يقول ان الاسره حنفيه وائليه لماذا يذكر عنّاز ؟

بيت آخر للامير الشاعر خالد بن سعود الكبير


الوايلي دايم براسه سطاره 00 يشرب قراح ولانحب الغثابير

عاداتنا بالكسب ناخذ خياره 00 بالطيب ولا بالسيوف البواتير


ابيات للمؤسس الامام الملك عبدالعزيز آل سعود رحمه الله


شد الرسن واستلحق الحمل شايل 00 مش الحزن ودموع عينه زجرها
انا معزي صفوة اولاد وايل 00 نسل الرجال اللي كثيف فخرها
كيف الرياض امست قبور ونثايل 00 وعلوم من راحت وراحوا بثرها


واعداء آل سعود في حقبه من الزمن اثبتوا ذلك بقول ابن رشيد مخاطبا ً ابن سعود


انتم بني وايل صحيح بلاظن ** وحنا الضياغم وأصلنا بقحطاني


قصيده للشاعر سمو الامير \ عبدالرحمن بن عبدالله بن عبدالرحمن آل سعود نشرت بمجلة المختلف
في العدد 182 في شهر سبتمبر 2006 م بعنوان جميل المثايل واليكم بعض الابيات


لاصـرت                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          تبغـى                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          وافييـن                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          الخصايـلفاصل                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   رحمـك                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   وأد                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    حـق                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       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هذا                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             كلام                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             رشيد                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             مـن                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             نسـل                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             (وايـل                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              )(                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            اهل                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        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لباسـة                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          الماهـود                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                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كـم                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             شيـخ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             قـوم                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ٍ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                لاجوط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¸ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ£ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ£ط¢آ¢ط£آ¢أ¢â‚¬ع‘ط¢آ¬ط·آ¹أ¢â‚¬ع©ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¹ط·آ£ط¢آ¢ط£آ¢أ¢â‚¬ع‘ط¢آ¬ط·آ¹ط¢آ©ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¹ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ£ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ£ط¢آ¢ط£آ¢أ¢â‚¬ع‘ط¢آ¬ط·آ¹أ¢â‚¬ع©ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¹ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ©ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬لى                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               الخيلط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¸ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ£ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ£ط¢آ¢ط£آ¢أ¢â‚¬ع‘ط¢آ¬ط·آ¹أ¢â‚¬ع©ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¹ط·آ£ط¢آ¢ط£آ¢أ¢â‚¬ع‘ط¢آ¬ط·آ¹ط¢آ©ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¹ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ£ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ£ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ£ط¢آ¢ط£آ¢أ¢â‚¬ع‘ط¢آ¬ط·آ¹أ¢â‚¬ع©ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¹ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ©ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ·ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ·ط·آ¢ط¢آ¢ط·آ·ط¢آ¢ط·آ¢ط¢آ¬جلات
لطامـة                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    العايـل                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ليـا                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    جـاك                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    مـايـلشينين                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      زينين                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ٍ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       مطافيق                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         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لطامـة                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   ٍ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   نطاحـة                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ماتسـايـلفرسان                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            شجعان                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ٍ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             مدابيس                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             غارات
وطعونهـم                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   تلقـى                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   بهـا                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    الـدم                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    سايـلوصحونهم                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   يلقى                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   بها                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   الضيف                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   خيـرات

والقصائد كثيره ولايمكن حصرها في موضوع واحد

وهناك بعض التصاريح الاعلاميه واذكر منها تصريح الامير طلال بن عبدالعزيز في احد القنوات

حينما قال نحن ننتمي الى قبيلة عنزه العريقه بالحرف الواحد

وكذلك موقع الامير الوليد بن طلال وفيه سيرته وذكر منها انها من قبيلة عنزه ولم يقل حنيفه

واذا كان بعض البعض يصر على انهم من قبيلة حنيفه فلم نسمع يوم من الايام ان هناك شخص يدعى

فلان الحنفي ؟ ارجع واقول ان ليست قبيلة عنزه من يقول ان آل سعود منهم بل ان آل سعود هم

من اثبتوا ذلك



تقديري















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 26-Jun-2009, 07:46 AM رقم المشاركة : 6
معلومات العضو
سعد المرشد
عضو
إحصائية العضو






سعد المرشد غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

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اضغط على الصورة لرؤيتها بالحجم الطبيعي

اشكر صاحب الموضوع على رقي حواره وطرحه

واذكر شايب قبل عشرين سنه يقول إن كان ال سعود من عنزه
ورى عنزه ما افزعت مع ال سعود في حروبهم

المسأله (التباس) تاريخي

وعنزه عندها من التاريخ ما يكفيها


يمنع وضع الروابط (الإداره)

ويكفي تصريح الامير سلمان الاخير

حتى ال خليفه وال صباح من تغلب من وايل
وليسوا من عنزه

ولكن تحالفات عنزه وكبر مساحات تواجدها
احدثت التباسات تاريخيه

بالتوفيق للجميع















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 26-Jun-2009, 03:42 PM رقم المشاركة : 7
معلومات العضو
الادهم ابن وايل النجدي
عضو ماسي

الصورة الرمزية الادهم ابن وايل النجدي

إحصائية العضو






الادهم ابن وايل النجدي غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

ال سعود اسرة صنعت لها مجيدا يليق بما قدمته

لبلاد الحرمين من رخاء ودعم للدعوة الاسلامية

على المذهب السلفي الصحيح

اما كونها تنتسب اعنزة او لا تنتسب

فالامر يعود لهذه الاسرة الكريمة وهذا شأنها الخاص

اما قبيلة الويلان فامجادهم من العصر الجاهلي

والى وقتنا الحاظر فقد دونت بطولاتهم في عقول المؤرخين

وصفحات التاريخ...الذهبية

والامر ((نسب ال سعود))لايتعلق بقبيلة عنزة او بتاريخها .

سواء انتمى السعود الى عنزة..او كانو ابناء عمومتهم..!!!

تحياتي.















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 26-Jun-2009, 09:31 PM رقم المشاركة : 8
معلومات العضو
خلف القثامي
عضو مميــز
عضو مميز 
إحصائية العضو







خلف القثامي غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة أكرم الوذيناني مشاهدة المشاركة
أهلا أخي خلف ..



شكراً على النقل الرائع ..


لكن آل سعود يلتقون مع قبيله العنزه في وائل ..


إذاً آل سعود الكرام من حنيفه من وائل ..


وهناك من يقول خلاف ذلك ..


ولكن الخوض في مثل هذه الانساب مشكله ، لان اقوال المؤرخين نادراً ما تتوافق ..!!



وتجنب الخوض في مثل متاهات هذه الانساب ..أفضل ..


شكراً..


اشكرك ع مرورك اليطب















رد مع اقتباس
غير مقروء 27-Jun-2009, 02:09 PM رقم المشاركة : 9
معلومات العضو
الفراتي
عضو فضي
إحصائية العضو







الفراتي غير متواجد حالياً

افتراضي

شكرا لك اخوي : خلف القثامي .

ولكن يجب ان يعرف الجميع معنى الحلف ,,

بنو حنيفه . وعنزة جميعهم من وائل بن ربيعه بن نزار بن عدنان .

فأنا استغرب في مقولة (تحالفوا) ولا يقال (تداخلوا) .

لإنهم أبناء عمومه .. فهل يتحالف أبناء العمومه وهم ابناء جد واحد .

(الحلف) بمعنى الاساسي . هو من تحالف من عدنان ومن قحطان .

فـ بنو حنيفه وعنزة ليسوا من عدنان فقط . أي ان هذا من "مضر" وذاك من "ربيعه" .

بل انهم من ربيعه على وجه الخصوص ..

يعني فل نفرض مثلاً : اذا قلنا ان "برقا" قبيلة مستقله و"روق" مستقله ايضاً .
ولكن يجمعها جد واجد ..

وفي حدث ما تجمعت برقا وروق ضد من عاداها .. فهل هذا يعتبر تحالف وهم ابناء عمومه .

أنا أرى ان مسمّى (تحالف) خاطئ جداً .. كيف وهم وائليون من ربيعه بن نزار بن عدنان .

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